I can't be certain ... but i have faith in Placebo fans - and i'll only be sending things to those that post regularly to report what they're doing right up until the close of voting. I don't think anyone could be bothered to keep lying for the next month just for a few tiny freebies.

Sarah@PlaceboTeam a écrit:

I can't be certain ... but i have faith in Placebo fans - and i'll only be sending things to those that post regularly to report what they're doing right up until the close of voting. I don't think anyone could be bothered to keep lying for the next month just for a few tiny freebies.

like i'm not so sure many will keep voting for a month, after a while, it gets boring to click.

But i can say in between my "web" work i've been voting a lot, just because i had spare time.

Don't you think this way to "promote" the band is kind of insulting ? I can't really imagine that those ideas about keeping voting to get them back in the charts are coming out from the band's mind. They seemed to get a certain sense of self-esteem about themselves as a band, but from my point of view, those steps may sound like either a way to deny all their former beliefs and to appear as a band greedy for money and fame (and meanwhile they discredit all their fans by treating them like a goose that lays the golden egg), or a way to prostitute themselves to the kingdom of superficiality. The description you made from the band is kinda like "Who cares if they have the crazyiest fans, which are able to click 2.000 times in a raw on a button as long as Placebo can be number one in the charts?"
My point is that if they deserve to win, great, keep voting as you want if you think it's the right thing to do (?), but not with the aim of earning anything that you describe as a "reward".

Yeah we're proud to be their fans, but I don't think we need a sticker as a sign of gratitude (or bribery, get it as you wish) to remind us.

So, if this is really coming from the band, and if by any chance you ran into them anytime soon, please tell them that maybe they were less known in the 90's, but at least they had principles and regard for their fans. I'm still looking for those today with this approach, between ridiculousness and scorn.

Actually, I'm also agree with Nathy, and I have nothing to say more about it 

There are other ways to promote the band I guess... This method sounds more like a "Pleaaaaaaaaase let us be back into the chaaaaarts", no matter they deserve it or not. If they didn't have any doubt about the quality of their work (and by work I mean music of course, not any other public appearence or marketing actions), why do WE (confirmed fans) have to let  them believe they are the biggest band in the world, which would be totally untrue because we would vote as a small community to whom they don't have to prove anything because it's the kind of situation where you vote with your "heart" and with the love you feel for them, but absolutely not relatively to their -as I mentionned before- work.

Wouldn't it be greater for them knowing that people who voted for them aren't people voting more for the "name of Placebo" because they're actually fans, but that those people voted for them because they discovered in their last album something that really deserves to be voted for, more than an answer to a "please vote for us dear fans!"?

You're trying to (and it's not an attack, don't take it personally, I guess whether you have orders coming from above in your hierarchy, or you really intend to do well even if I find the way controversial) get votes from the wrong people, we sure will want to defend "our" band, but I think the best we could wish to the band would be to get more people coming and praying in their own chapel (I'm not sure it means anything in English actually, sorry if it doesn't) It's like a child you're watching growing up. There's a time the only thing you hope for him is to fly on his own wings, and stop relying on the same people all the time. They got us, now it's time to get "resistant" people, and that would be a real big step in their carrier, not only because they could reach more people's heart, but more than anything, they'll know they did it by themselves, and that their work is actually deserving it.

I'm sorry I'm such a chatterbox sometimes, I hope you don't mind...

^^It's not about the band doubting the quality of their work, its marketing - that's my job, and its something every band has to do.

Put simply, every band has a certain turnover of fans. You must promote to gain new fans, not just to build a bigger fanbase, but also to replace the lost fans. If there is no promotion, there is no money, and no money = no music. Shitty, but true.

Since this album is self funded there is no label to pay for a big advertising campaign (like Muse with TV adverts), so we rely on smaller promotion, and what i feel is a bands biggest asset - the fans. We can't get the 'resistant people' i.e new fans, without the help of the existing and loyal fans.

The Street Team are happily multi-voting for Placebo to win this EMA not only because they feel like they deserve it (and since every other bands fans will multi-vote they must too) but because they understand that it is the kind of exposure that could introduce hundreds if not thousands of new people to Placebo. And this is how the band can grow.

Edit: p.s i must apologise for posting in English again, i feel like such an ignorant Brit!

Dernière modification par Sarah@PlaceboTeam (26-09-2009 23:37:44)

A mon avis c'est pas faux si l'on encourage la groupe que l'on préfère si l'on a la possibilité. Et en plus: La site de MTV nous permet à voter plusieurs fois.
Cela serait super si Placebo gagnerait les EMA!

@Sarah
Your "automatic vote" tip works well thanks.
Since I'm gonna be away a lot why not use it

Hinahon a écrit:

@Sarah
Your "automatic vote" tip works well thanks.
Since I'm gonna be away a lot why not use it

En espérant que chez les autres groupes ils fassent pas pareil 

Hinahon a écrit:

@Sarah
Your "automatic vote" tip works well thanks.
Since I'm gonna be away a lot why not use it

nalvys a écrit:

Hinahon a écrit:

@Sarah
Your "automatic vote" tip works well thanks.
Since I'm gonna be away a lot why not use it

En espérant que chez les autres groupes ils fassent pas pareil 

You're welcome! It is great isn't it, voting whilst sleeping 

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Sarah@PlaceboTeam a écrit:

^^It's not about the band doubting the quality of their work, its marketing - that's my job, and its something every band has to do.

Put simply, every band has a certain turnover of fans. You must promote to gain new fans, not just to build a bigger fanbase, but also to replace the lost fans. If there is no promotion, there is no money, and no money = no music. Shitty, but true.

Since this album is self funded there is no label to pay for a big advertising campaign (like Muse with TV adverts), so we rely on smaller promotion, and what i feel is a bands biggest asset - the fans. We can't get the 'resistant people' i.e new fans, without the help of the existing and loyal fans.

The Street Team are happily multi-voting for Placebo to win this EMA not only because they feel like they deserve it (and since every other bands fans will multi-vote they must too) but because they understand that it is the kind of exposure that could introduce hundreds if not thousands of new people to Placebo. And this is how the band can grow.

Edit: p.s i must apologise for posting in English again, i feel like such an ignorant Brit!

Described this way, I totally understand what you mean. And I must admit I agree with the finality. Actually I talked about it with my brother last night to lead myself to the conclusion that if they're going this way, it certainly has a fame finality, not only by "cheating" (and no matter the fact that any fan of any band can do the same and multi-vote, to me it's still associated with cheating), but more than that, it has a promotion finality. As a self funded band since their last album, there are no longer big major to give the money for their promotion, so they have to "do with the means at hand". And if they need those kinds of "exhibition" to get new fans, alright then, let's help them as much as we can.

I always preferred to know the "real" meaning of the things people ask me to do, not to mention the fact that I can't stand feeling like I'm screwed by the real (and secret) aims of the marketing system. But as I said, described like that, with (I hope) more honesty and consideration for the fans, we can surely make our contribution so they can keep making new albums without begging for the money required for it. But next time, maybe would it be easier if you explained the real intentions (even if it's against the marketing law? ), I think it could really help (better than letting us believe things like they're using us or that they don't give a damn about being a better band as long as their fans are faithful enough to keep yelling they're the best)... The idea of collaboration sounds better in my ears than the idea of exploitation and "please do it for the band, they really want to be famous".

I hope I'm understandable And thank you for the time you took to explain your point!

I'm glad you understand my points now, and i apologise for not explaining it fully in the first place, but i'm not really supposed to explain all the in's and outs ... and sometimes its better not to know the gritty boring stuff that goes on behind the scenes 

Undoubtedly the best kind of promotion is word of mouth, but that can only go so far. I'm sure all of you have already told your friends about Placebo and tried to convert them ... but you wouldn't believe how many comments i read each day where 'casual' listeners were not even aware that there was a new album out!
That's why this kind of promotion - the EMA's - is vital. It exposes the amazing music of Placebo to countless numbers of people that might not have heard it otherwise. It's like months and months of radio airplay all wrapped up in one nice little package. Its like TV adverts without the horrendous cost. It's the FANS helping promote the band, so Placebo can do the important things like producing more music and playing more shows without the interference of restricting record labels. Its music making and promoting back to the roots. We help them, they play for us, its a win-win situation 

A voté   ( encore ) Allez allez les placebiens

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A voté   ( encore ) Allez allez les placebiens

t'inqiète pas mon pc tourne toutes les nuits avec le vote auto

T'es la meilleure  Moi aussi, je vote compulsivement. Ils vont gagner, c'est sûr !

Hinahon a écrit:

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Hinahon a écrit:

t'inqiète pas mon pc tourne toutes les nuits avec le vote auto

T'es la meilleure  Moi aussi, je vote compulsivement. Ils vont gagner, c'est sûr !

le seul truc c'est que faudrait que j'éloigne mon pc de mon lit... même à luminosité mini la lumière me gène pour dormir ! XD
Qu'est ce qu'il faut pas faire pour eux quand même

Chut....

Cela dit je le fais aussi, tant pis pour Muse

Luzie a écrit:

Quelqu'un vote encore pour Placebo?
Je serais contente si Placebo gagnerait, car ils le méritent! 

oui oui, je continue quand je peux le jour et ça tourne à fond sans arrêt la nuit

Drarry-girl a écrit:

Luzie a écrit:

Quelqu'un vote encore pour Placebo?
Je serais contente si Placebo gagnerait, car ils le méritent! 

Et comment, qu'on vote toujours ! Cette victoire, c'est un cadeau qu'on va leur faire ! Et ils te devront une fière chandelle, Hinahon 
Les placébiens, ne relachez pas vos efforts (avec un peu de chance, le brinou gagnera et nous pondra un discours en allemand, alors on revote, hop hop hop  )

Brian s'exprimant dans la langue la moins sexy au monde mon rêve !